Concerning Denial By The Jahmiyyah (i.e. Seeing Allâh In The Hereafter, etc.)
Darussalam · Volume 1
The Book Of The SunnahSunan Ibn Majah Darussalam English translation
الحديث: 182 ¦ الجزء: 1 ¦ الصفحة: 64
Source no. 182 · Volume 1 · Page 254
Da‘if
ضعيف الظلال (٦١٢) ، مختصر العلو (١٩٣ و ٢٥٠)
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182. Waki' bin Hudus narrated that his paternal uncle Abu Razin said: "I said: 'O Messenger of Allāh, where was our Lord before He created His creation?' He said: He was above the clouds, below which was air, and above which was air and water. Then He created His Throne above the water.'" (Hasan)
182 - حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، وَمُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الصَّبَّاحِ، قَالَا: حَدَّثَنَا يَزِيدُ بْنُ هَارُونَ قَالَ: أَنْبَأَنَا حَمَّادُ بْنُ سَلَمَةَ، عَنْ يَعْلَى بْنِ عَطَاءٍ، عَنْ وَكِيعِ بْنِ حُدُسٍ، عَنْ عَمِّهِ أَبِي رَزِينٍ، قَالَ: قُلْتُ: يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ، أَيْنَ كَانَ رَبُّنَا قَبْلَ أَنْ يَخْلُقَ خَلْقَهُ؟، قَالَ: «كَانَ فِي عَمَاءٍ، مَا تَحْتَهُ هَوَاءٌ، وَمَا فَوْقَهُ هَوَاءٌ، وَمَا ثَمَّ خَلْقٌ، عَرْشُهُ عَلَى الْمَاءِ»
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[1] The calamity that gave rise to the despair.
The word 'Amâ' occurring in the Arabic sentence Kâna fi 'amâ' could stand for the cloud. It could also mean 'something beyond human comprehension'. In other words, the answer to the question asked would be beyond the understanding of man. Anyhow, there was probably the need to rationalize the answer or justify the text if the Hadith were Sound, it is not. It is in fact a Weak "Hadith", (according to Shaikh Albâni) which needs no rationalizing.